Phil Drysdale on religious mindsets, his dream job, the end times, and God's goodness - Guest Post!

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This week it is my honour to introduce to you Phil Drysdale. A scottish revivalist who is preaching the Gospel with Radical Clarity! Phil spent 4 years serving at Bethel Church in Redding, California, and he and his wife now live in Aberdeen, Scotland. Phil travels full-time ministering into communities declaring and demonstrating God's goodness and Love.

I believe Phil is part of a radical generation rising up in the world today who aren't afraid of differences and divides, but instead are willing to work together no matter the differences to see the Kingdom of God come on earth as it is in Heaven. In this interview I wanted to tap into some of what makes Phil tick, and hopefully bring a different perspective on what you may believe.

Phil was in the air between London and Dallas on his way to Birmingham while responding to the interview, so I really appreciate him making the time for being part of the blog this week.  

This week's post is the first time I am experimenting with a new feature, "Click to Tweet". So if you have a Twitter account, you can post some quotes from the interview onto your Twitter page and encourage your followers with some great inspiration. Whenever you see this (tweet) after a paragraph, it means the sentence before it is quoted and you simply click the word "tweet" in brackets, and you will go to a page that will send the tweet for you! Give it a go!

Let's get started... Enjoy!

Phil, could please give us a little overview of who you are, your growing up years, school & after-school life, and your background as a Christian?

What a huge question, I'll give you the abridged version!

I grew up in an incredible Christian home, my parents were really open to what God was doing in and through them as they pastored several Baptist churches throughout my childhood. As such I did the typical pastor's kid thing and got saved about 30-40 times up until the age of 16 when I really felt connected to God and got baptized. In hindsight, though; I really just got more religious and started reading my Bible, praying and going to church meetings more.

It wasn't until about 6 years later that I really had a profound encounter with God, when I was on a business trip to London. I started reading a book by Bill Johnson called, "When Heaven Invades Earth". In the space of a day I was completely turned upside-down and inside-out. I left my business that I had started with two partners which was doing relatively well. Everyone thought I was crazy, but I just packed my bags and moved to Bethel (in Redding, Cali) to do their School of Supernatural Ministry.

After 3yrs in their school, including a year interning for Steve Backlund at Global Legacy and a further year volunteering full-time with Global Legacy I am now ministering the Gospel in every which way I can think of. I have a website (www.phildrysdale.com) were I provide audio & video resources, daily devotionals, and articles explaining the Good News of the Gospel - all available for free. I also have a Facebook account and Twitter page where I post quotes I find inspiring and thoughts throughout the day.

Finally, I travel the world around 180days a year and get to minister publicly primarily through sermons, healing and prophecy. I am also married to the most wonderful woman I've ever met, Sarah. She is an absolute inspiration to me and believes in me more than I believe in myself!


Why the move back to Scotland?  And why Scotland over say somewhere like London or USA, where you could've been more central?

This is a great question. The truth is Aberdeen is one of the worst places to be in the world when traveling as much as I do! I have family in Aberdeen, it's where most of them have been the last 12 years or so and so in one sense it feels like home. The primary reason however is that Sarah is currently studying her final year English at Aberdeen University. Will we stay in Aberdeen? I don't know, but for now we have family, friends, a great home and a wonderful church we can call home, so I'm not desperate to leave.


What is your greatest passion? Or to use the cliche, "dream job"?

I often ask people when I meet them, "what would you do if you had unlimited resources, time, money, people and God was 100% behind you?" - The answer of course should be what all of us are working towards. I'm lucky enough that I'm doing my "dream job" - I'm sure there will be some tweaks here and there as we go but I'm right in the gooey centre of it!


It seems that there is fresh revelation around the world for people to step into their dreams and calling, and sometimes to take risks to do that. What advice would you give people who don't yet feel like they are doing their "dream job"? What steps can they take to get to their "dream job"?

I think for me the biggest obstacle was to actually start dreaming. I think as a society we are trained to squash dreams like bugs from an early age. When your kid comes to you and tells you he wants to be an astronaut or a footballer our typical response is "that's nice but not everyone can do that" we have to be "realistic". As Wendy Backlund says, "God has not called you to be realistic, He's called you to be supernatural." (tweet)

The biggest hurdle for me was security, I had a real wake-up call just after going out to Bethel when I realized that most of the decisions I had made in my life were to do with my comfort and security. Not only that, but most of those decisions were ones I didn't derive any joy from. Looking back: the best decisions in my life were decisions full of risk and were not made to make me more secure but to move me towards my dreams. From that day I decided a core value of mine was to never make a decision based on money again. That one has changed my life more than most other decisions combined!


There seems to be fresh revelation about the "end times" in many circles. Many people are moving away from a fear-based, tribulation and rapture theory. How important is one's eschatological beliefs in them fulfilling their calling?

How you believe things will end is always going to determine how you live today. We've taught for centuries a fear-based gospel. I've heard countless sermons stating "If you walk out that door today and get hit by a bus do you know where you will end up?" The problem we have in the church is that the people we are leading aren't getting hit by buses. The message should be "If you go out that door today and have to live 70 more years, what are you going to do?

Eschatology is under the same influence. It's fascinating that the modern, fear-based eschatological view is actually very recent, for example up until 160 years ago or so there was no concept of a rapture, nor the world getting worse before Jesus came back. 

If we think the world is supposed to get worse and that Jesus is coming back for a shining spotless bride hiding in the corner while the devil takes over the world we simply aren't going to change the world. In fact, the church can stay in a building and give themselves high-fives as the world gets worse because, "hey, that's what's supposed to happen, right? Jesus must be coming back soon."

A great resource on the end-times that is available completely free is Jonathan Welton's book "Raptureless" which is a very deep study of the end-times from a true Biblical scholar who knows the Scriptures and Church History regarding this topic better than most of us.


There is much controversy circling church organisations at the moment around "institutional church". What is your opinion on "institutional church" and what is the perfect setup (if there were one of course)?

One of my favourite things about traveling full-time is that I get to see every flavor of church imaginable. I actually love that nobody can agree what way "church" should be done, I think we aren't supposed to have a model. We all love Jesus and should just focus on doing that together, whatever way is most natural to us. Does it really matter if we meet in a home, a school building or a football stadium? 

So long as we are getting together and enjoying each other, Father, Son and Holy Spirit in fellowship so that we are all being mutually encouraged and equipped I say that is a successful Church. 


How important is the Ephesians 4, Five Fold gift set within the leadership of a local church?

I think our understanding of this is evolving. Leadership is a big topic and is viewed very differently everywhere I go. What I am seeing is that the common denominator is that we are evolving towards understanding not just the gifts of Christ but their purpose… "the equipping of the saints". Everywhere I go more people are being equipped to have an apostolic mindset, to be prophetic, to evangelize everywhere they are, to be able to teach and equip others and to be able to pastor those in their lives. 

I think it's important that we have those who hold these offices not so that they can become superstars but so that they might equip others. The apostle is not there to be "Apostle Blah Blah" but rather to help create apostolic people. The prophet is not there so he can be the only person to give public prophecies but so that everyone would have the training required to hear God's voice and share that with His children. The evangelist is not supposed to be the one we bring all our unbeliever friends to hear, but rather the one who trains us all to reach out to those around us.

This journey looks very different for different ministries and churches but it's all evolving in the same direction in my opinion.


Religious mindsets and traditional lies seem to be crippling the growth of God's children. What are, in your opinion, some of the worst lies the church?

I'm well known for killing some sacred cows so I guess it wouldn't be an interview without me doing that!

The biggest lie in the church today is that we think God is smaller than sin. (tweet) We somehow believe that God can't look upon sin and that somehow sin separates us from God. This is ridiculous and hugely unbiblical but unfortunately it's pretty much evangelical doctrine. God's a big boy and not only can He look upon sin but He's had very little to look upon since The Fall :)  (James' note: I can hear a big "moo" there!)

I don't want to make light of sin, but it's important we don't lose focus of how huge Christ's victory over sin was.

It's important that we remember when considering sin that it was Adam and Eve who hid from God, not the other way around.

The second biggest lie is that we believe we are still sinners. Sinners saved by grace are not called sinners… they are called saints. 

Romans 5:17 says we have received the abundance of Grace and the gift of Righteousness. The church isn't ready to walk in an Abundance of Grace because we don't believe the Gospel. We don't believe we are Righteous, we think we are sinners. Until we recognize that we are New Creations and completely spotless, righteous and holy we will never walk in it and never really let an Abundance of Grace flow. 


Who are some of the most important leaders that have influenced your beliefs and ideologies that you suggest people to read / listen?

I've been on such a huge journey, I think Bill Johnson, Kris Vallotton, Joseph Prince and John Crowder really got me started on my journey and honestly without them I have no idea where I'd be today. Someone I have to add to the list who has profoundly influenced me has to be Andre Rabe who has such a beautiful spirit and articulates the Gospel like nobody else I know. 


What is the most important message "the church" (as a whole) needs to understand today?

I think if we tackled the two lies I mentioned above we'd be in a very healthy place as a body. 
(James' note: That was easy! Haha.)


What do you sense is happening in the earth today in terms of the church, politics, philosophy, etc?  Big question, but you're a big man.

If we look back 10-20 years there was such a huge question hanging over the church "Does God really still heal the sick? Can we as believers really walk in the supernatural?" It's funny to me because I'm seeing that these questions are being asked less and less. These days such a huge portion of the church simply isn't asking that question any more? Why? Because most have had the question answered, more people have been healed or seen healing today than ever before on the planet! Even the skeptics know one or two people who have been healed and so they just awkwardly avoid the topic.

I think in the next 10-20 years we are going to see two questions slowly die:
"Is God really good?"
"Am I really righteous?"


And finally, what advice would you give to people like me who want to change the world?

Look for the image and likeness of God in every man, woman and child and you'll find it. If you can show them Jesus as in a mirror they will be transformed. (tweet that!)


Phil, thank you so much for taking the time to write these answers for us. It is a real privilege having you post on JamesPreston.org, and we can't to hear from you again! Maybe in a video interview next time on the Sonic Substance Leadership Podcast. You're a mighty man and we together as an audience speak abundant blessings, provision, health and wealth to you, Sarah, and the coming family!  ;)

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2 comments

Phil, thank you so much for being such a blessing with this wonderful interview! It has opened my eyes in so many ways! I have a question though, what do you mean God hasn't had much to look at since the fall? I don't understand what you mean by that? Not sure if other readers want to hear your thoughts on that also?

Hi Daniel - sorry for not replying sooner. I didn't see this.

I just simply mean that if God can't look upon sin then I'm not sure what he's been looking at since the fall as we all went around and did very little other than sin!

This article might help you - http://www.phildrysdale.com/2013/02/does-sin-really-separate-you-from-god/

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